Former Obama administration defense official Evelyn Farkas testified under oath that she lied during an MSNBC interview when she claimed to have evidence of alleged collusion, a newly declassified congressional transcript of her testimony shows.

Farkas testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on June 26, 2017, as part of the committee’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election between Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Lawmakers keyed in on an appearance Farkas made on MSNBC on March 2, 2017, in which she urged intelligence community bureaucrats to disseminate within the government and potentially even leak to media any incriminating information they had about Trump or his aides.

Farkas stated:

“I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama administration] people who left…[that] it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy,” 

Farkas, who served in the Obama administration as the deputy assistant secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia from 2012 through 2015, also claimed that administration officials appointed by Trump might even destroy evidence of alleged collusion if they “found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff’s dealing with Russians.”

They might “try to compromise those sources and methods,” Farkas alleged in the MSNBC interview. “And we would no longer have access to that intelligence.”

“Not enough was coming out into the open and I knew there was more,” Farkas claimed.

But Evelyn Farkas sang a different tone under oath

When Farkas  was questioned by lawmakers about what she actually “knew” about collusion.

South Carolina Congressman Trey Gowdy asked: “Why don’t we go back to that sentence that I just asked you about. It says ‘the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their staff dealing with Russians. Well, how would you know what the U.S. government knew at that point? You didn’t work for it, did you?”

      • Evelyn Farkas: “I didn’t,” 

Gowdy: “Then how did you know?” 

      • Farkas: “I didn’t know anything,” 

Gowdy: “Did you have information connecting the Trump campaign to the hack of the DNC?” 

      • Farkas: “No,”

Gowdy: “So when you say, ‘We knew,’ the reality is you knew nothing,”

      • Farkas: “Correct,”

Gowdy: “So when you say ‘knew,’ what you really meant was felt?”

      • Farkas: “Correct,” 

Gowdy: “You didn’t know anything?”

      • Farkas: “That’s correct,”

Evelyn Farkas, a Democrat, is currently running for Congress in New York’s 17th district.


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